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Priory Flowers Man of the Match

Tony Kessell
- 0 (0%)
Tommy Osborne
- 2 (4.7%)
Steve Norman
- 3 (7%)
John Guest
- 3 (7%)
Richard Avery
- 0 (0%)
Lew Watts
- 1 (2.3%)
Mark Green
- 0 (0%)
Jay May
- 1 (2.3%)
Brendon Cass
- 7 (16.3%)
Eddie McClements
- 24 (55.8%)
Ryan Hayes
- 1 (2.3%)
Carl Bruce (sub)
- 0 (0%)
Steve Hafner (sub)
- 1 (2.3%)

Total Members Voted: 43

Voting closed: April 11, 2007, 09:52:32 PM


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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #75 on: April 11, 2007, 11:23:27 AM »

Got to give  xthink his due, his notes certainly show he feels as bad about the game as we do. He still get's my support,
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #76 on: April 11, 2007, 11:28:56 AM »

Yeah Tony Burman gets my vote too, his notes are a true reflection on Hindsight, however, he must be the man responsible for team motivation and there seams to be a distinct lack of it at the moment.

I keep hearing that TB has work commitments and may have to step down as manager again, is this true, if so is that why we have collapsed like an england cricket team top order??

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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #77 on: April 11, 2007, 12:49:12 PM »

We are great going forward but we looked totally inept at the back. My biggest suprise on Monday was Tommy Osbourne. I don't think I've ever seen him make so many forward runs and crosses as he did against Chatham & I was very suprised and bewildered as to why he was taken off. I agree that we had to go 3 at the back, but maybe we should have done this a bit sooner. But I felt sorry for Tommy, because out of all the defenders he seemed the least deserving to get taken off. The fact that he got MOM means that I wasn't alone in my thinking.

As much as I hope we do still make the play-offs, on Monday's performance I have to feel that our chance has gone. That equalising goal from Dulwich took the wind from our sails I'm afraid. Also, I have to ask myself where in the league we would be without the 40 odd goals that Brendan & Jay have scored for us this season. Without their contribution I think we would just about make the top ten.

Now for my general observations. Something seems to have changed in the team since our move to PP. Before the move we seemed to play with a relaxed yet decisive attitude. Yet since November 11 2006 some of the performances have seemed workmanlike and the players have looked tight. Maybe we have been expecting too much since the move. I know we thought that the big crowd atmosphere would intimidate visiting teams, but in many cases this seems to have had the opposite effect & at times it has been the Darts who have looked like a rabbit caught in headlights. Maybe the pressure on them has been too big & produced stifled performances.

Also as I said a few months ago, although it makes great football to watch, when you need to score 4 or 5 goals to ensure the win, then there is a problem. Our defence has not looked great at times and yet we seem to have 4 of the best individual defensive players in the league, but for what ever reason they seem unable to work as a defensive unit, too many individual errors, resulting in sloppy goals being conceded although in recent weeks we don't seem to concede from set pieces like we used to.

It's a shame that it appears I chances of a play-off spot have possibly gone, but as Martin C & I have said, look where we were 18 months ago to where we are know. Thanks to Dave Martin, we have a very lucrative pre-season friendly to look forward to against a team that wouldn't have given us the time of day last year, & with our spanking new ground I'm sure other teams will be encouraged to pay us a visit. Things are on the way up for us but the last few months has been a learning curve for all, so maybe next season may prove to be the one for us to make our mark properly.

Kebabus said a few weeks ago that maybe the players TB wants to bring in are currently on contract elsewhere but will be available for next season. If that's the case & I'm sure it is I wouldn't be suprised to see wholesale changes in the squad, but I'd be sorry to see the likes of Jimmy Carter, Ryan Briggs or one or two others leave as I don't really think they've had a fair crack of the whip.


Shame about the result on Monday, but we didn't deserve anything else to be honest.
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #78 on: April 11, 2007, 01:03:39 PM »

We are great going forward but we looked totally inept at the back. My biggest suprise on Monday was Tommy Osbourne. I don't think I've ever seen him make so many forward runs and crosses as he did against Chatham & I was very suprised and bewildered as to why he was taken off. I agree that we had to go 3 at the back, but maybe we should have done this a bit sooner. But I felt sorry for Tommy, because out of all the defenders he seemed the least deserving to get taken off. The fact that he got MOM means that I wasn't alone in my thinking.

As much as I hope we do still make the play-offs, on Monday's performance I have to feel that our chance has gone. That equalising goal from Dulwich took the wind from our sails I'm afraid. Also, I have to ask myself where in the league we would be without the 40 odd goals that Brendan & Jay have scored for us this season. Without their contribution I think we would just about make the top ten.

Now for my general observations. Something seems to have changed in the team since our move to PP. Before the move we seemed to play with a relaxed yet decisive attitude. Yet since November 11 2006 some of the performances have seemed workmanlike and the players have looked tight. Maybe we have been expecting too much since the move. I know we thought that the big crowd atmosphere would intimidate visiting teams, but in many cases this seems to have had the opposite effect & at times it has been the Darts who have looked like a rabbit caught in headlights. Maybe the pressure on them has been too big & produced stifled performances.


Its very rare that I agree with you Steve .... and this is another such occasion.

To clarify, I think you are about as wide of the mark as it is possible to be ... and then some.
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #79 on: April 11, 2007, 01:11:33 PM »

Yes I was very disappointed with the display on Saturday but I will try and defend the players as its was their 2nd game in 3 days on a lively surface against a team who came for a point and expolited the Darts weaknesses at the back to take all 3 points back to Chavham. Alas having now conceded 60 goals its not to difficult to pinpoint the teams problems. Maidstone & Hastings would have won that game 1-0 or at least gained a point!

It certainly was not the worst display of the season (Cray & Maidstone Away were worse) and with 3 games to go we are still in the hunt. 7 points maybe enough so with 3 months of the close season to come when we can put the world to rights (and right the teams wrongs) lets get behind the team and see what happens in the next few weeks!

Ps/ Call me a hypocrite if you like after what I have just written but Lew Watts...Hopeless at the back even worse in the midfield! Please TB put him out of his misery!!
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #80 on: April 11, 2007, 01:13:13 PM »

But wouldn't it be a boring world if we all thought the same!
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #81 on: April 11, 2007, 01:31:22 PM »

Just to add to my defence. I apologise for not quoting verbatum from the Book of Spike, but something has seriously gone wrong in the last few weeks. We have gone from being a team which was almost a dead cert to at least make a play-off place to a team that will be lucky to win 3 of our last games of which one of those is against the team that turned us over twice in 8 days when we put in arguably our worst performances of the season. Where I decided to walk out early in disgust, which led to me getting more S**t than what the players did on the Forum.

Monday's performance was not as bad as the Hasting's games due to the fact that we did at least score and we did threaten them in the closing 15 minutes, but on the whole based on Monday's performance we ain't gonna make the play-offs and it'll take some doing to turn this team around, this team to me doesn't look like a team that believes it can win.

TB can do it. He's first 5 games in charge when he took over back in Jan 05 proves that he can motivate this team, but the players are gonna have to work harder than they have done in the last few weeks to get those 9 points.

So endeth the lessen!
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #82 on: April 11, 2007, 02:52:58 PM »

Yes Steve, but you did get yourself a pint to drink!!
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #83 on: April 11, 2007, 03:06:58 PM »

Maidstone & Hastings would have won that game 1-0 or at least gained a point!

Quote from: Ryman League
Chatham Town   1    1   Maidstone United
Attendance 790 
 S.Best 
 
Chatham Town   5    1   Hastings United
Attendance 150 
 D.Larkin  J.Lyons  I.Pulman  D.Smith(2) 

Chatham Town   2    3   Dartford 
Attendance 353 
 R.Denness  D.Larkin 

Hastings United   2    1   Chatham Town 
Attendance 279 
  R.Goodger 

Maidstone United   1    2   Chatham Town 
Attendance 384

Dartford   1    3   Chatham Town 
Attendance 1,223  


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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #84 on: April 11, 2007, 05:50:47 PM »

Just to add to my defence. I apologise for not quoting verbatum from the Book of Spike, but something has seriously gone wrong in the last few weeks. We have gone from being a team which was almost a dead cert to at least make a play-off place to a team that will be lucky to win 3 of our last games of which one of those is against the team that turned us over twice in 8 days when we put in arguably our worst performances of the season. Where I decided to walk out early in disgust, which led to me getting more S**t than what the players did on the Forum.

Monday's performance was not as bad as the Hasting's games due to the fact that we did at least score and we did threaten them in the closing 15 minutes, but on the whole based on Monday's performance we ain't gonna make the play-offs and it'll take some doing to turn this team around, this team to me doesn't look like a team that believes it can win.

TB can do it. He's first 5 games in charge when he took over back in Jan 05 proves that he can motivate this team, but the players are gonna have to work harder than they have done in the last few weeks to get those 9 points.

So endeth the lessen!

I don't know why you feel you have to apologise for your opinion Steve ... (unless you have come to realise the error of your ways  :-)).  I agree that it would be boring if we all thought the same and as you yourself have said in the past, the whole point of this forum is for people to express their opinions. The "Book of Spike", were such a thing to exist, would undoubtedly disagree with what you said, but avidly defend your right to say it.

Personally, I like to look at things from a more general viewpoint over a period of time rather than reacting wildly to individual results. A couple of weeks ago we were a good side and now, according to some people, its all terrible and everything is wrong. It wasn't just your comments, but other things I have read or heard said since Monday. I was absolutely gutted on Monday, but I don't believe that we are suddenly a rubbish team and that the players weren't trying, as has been suggested by some.

Your reference to the Hastings games earlier in the season is a good example of what I mean. We lost twice in a row to a team down the bottom and the resulting stuff posted on here was, I thought, wildly over the top. We didn't play well, but as some of us said at the time, Hastings looked a really good side who would surely shoot up the table .... that has since proven to be true. I remember some of the postings wrote us off then and yet the team came back to mount a serious challenge .... at least, until the last few games.

I think I probably do agree with you that had Dave Martin been here it ight just have made the difference. I know we have defensive frailties, but Dave always seemed to pull a rabbit out of the hat when we needed it most. In many ways, his brilliance may have camouflaged some of our other shortcomings. He also took pressure of Ryno and I suspect that one or two touches of Martin Magic might just have ben enough to bring us another couple of wins that would have saved the day. 

At the end of the day, it looks as though the current team may just not be quite good enough to make it this time. We are however, very close and probably only need two or three changes for next season. We have a good manager who has done a very good job and I for one am 100% behind him. Some of the games at PP have been breathtaking and a fantastic advert for non-league football. Sure we've had a few dodgy games but that's because, although we are quite good, we are not a great side. As a lifelong Darts fan, even if we don't make the play-offs, this season has been a defining moment in our club's history and I for one have thoroughly enjoyed the overwhelming majority of it. I accept that after such a great season, it will be a huge anti-climax to miss out at such a late stage, but once over the initial shock you have to look at the bigger picture and things aren't really going at all badly for us. We are just starting out in our new home and I for one am extremely optimistic.

I am sure that I am not the only one who feels this way.
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #85 on: April 11, 2007, 06:18:32 PM »

some fans post with their heart , some post with their head , some post with rose coloured specs, some never lead with a post but quick to be a smart a...e with the reply and some are just s..t stirrers , oh and some even take  half a season to admit that their original opinion on a player was wrong and he is quality after all but thats what an open forum is all about  !!!!!

we may have thought we were a good team but we will only find out after 42 games as the table doesnt lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im glad we have the diverse, sometimes controversial views and have little time for posts that appear to be nothing other than patronising  !!!!!


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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #86 on: April 11, 2007, 09:44:35 PM »

some fans post with their heart , some post with their head , some post with rose coloured specs, some never lead with a post but quick to be a smart a...e with the reply and some are just s..t stirrers , oh and some even take  half a season to admit that their original opinion on a player was wrong and he is quality after all but thats what an open forum is all about  !!!!!

we may have thought we were a good team but we will only find out after 42 games as the table doesnt lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im glad we have the diverse, sometimes controversial views and have little time for posts that appear to be nothing other than patronising  !!!!!


Duke,

I'm posting this with my heart (as Spike is my brother) but using my head. I wear contact lenses and am a leader with lots of followers, i have thought about this for a while and have never been one to stir. It's unlikely that i would be wrong and hope you don't thing im being patronising.

However i have my own opinion but would be interested to know what category of yours would you place yourself in !!!!!!!!!!!!




 
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #87 on: April 11, 2007, 09:51:40 PM »

some fans post with their heart , some post with their head , some post with rose coloured specs, some never lead with a post but quick to be a smart a...e with the reply and some are just s..t stirrers

...and some just agree with what they talk about with their friends in the car on the way home and post that.

I think I've just encompassed all of the above in one post!
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #88 on: April 11, 2007, 10:00:12 PM »

as with life i post with my heart when often i should just wait 24 hours and then post but i dont kiss a...s or always try to have the last smart arse post !!!!!!


for the record NOT a pop at you
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Re: Chatham Town - Princes Park, Easter Monday
« Reply #89 on: April 12, 2007, 03:16:32 PM »

some fans post with their heart , some post with their head , some post with rose coloured specs, some never lead with a post but quick to be a smart a...e with the reply and some are just s..t stirrers , oh and some even take  half a season to admit that their original opinion on a player was wrong and he is quality after all but thats what an open forum is all about  !!!!!

we may have thought we were a good team but we will only find out after 42 games as the table doesnt lie !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

im glad we have the diverse, sometimes controversial views and have little time for posts that appear to be nothing other than patronising  !!!!!

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Duke, I think you missed a few out ...

I think probably ALL fans post with their heart, but some with their heads as well.

Some posters have ridiculously unrealistic aspirations and just moan and complain about everything.

Some could do with specs (whether they be rose coloured or otherwise).

Some think that anyone who disagrees with their views is a s**t stirrer.

Some regard anyone with the ability to form a coherent sentence as a smart a**e.

Oh and some NEVER admit their original opinion was wrong.

However, on a more positive note ...

Some are able to enter into a debate and respect the other person's views, even if they disagree with them.


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